How Would You Play The Hand?

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  1. Dmoney644

    Dmoney644 Well-Known Member

    Ok, i'm gonna give you a scenario of a hand, and would like to hear how you would play the rest of the hand and why?

    blinds are at 100/200 and you have 4000 in chips. you get dealt QsQd. There is 3 other players{we will call them A, B, C} in the hand plus you with about the same amount in chips. you are in the BB and already have 200 in the pot from the BB. Player A is first to act and raises 1x the big blind making it 400 total. Player b And Player C just calls him, and now its your turn.

    Scenario #1: Do You Just Call, Reraise Back To Them, Or Fold?

    {if you just call}

    The flop comes Js 10d Ks .

    After The Flop, You Are 1st To Bet, How Do You Play this From Here?


    Scenario # 2: If You Reraised, How Much Did You Reraise?

    Also, Player A Is Calling Your raise no matter what it is. Player B And Player C Folds To Your Re Raise. Same Flop As Above, You Are 1st To Bet, What Do You Do From Here?

    After We Get A Few Members Posting On What They Would Do, I'll Add More To tHe Scenarios. This Will Be Interesting To See How Others Would Complete This Hand.
     
  2. atpiatpa

    atpiatpa New Member

    Ok, i'm gonna give you a scenario of a hand, and would like to hear how you would play the rest of the hand and why?

    blinds are at 100/200 and you have 4000 in chips. you get dealt QsQd. There is 3 other players{we will call them A, B, C} in the hand plus you with about the same amount in chips. you are in the BB and already have 200 in the pot from the BB. Player A is first to act and raises 1x the big blind making it 400 total. Player b And Player C just calls him, and now its your turn.

    Scenario #1: Do You Just Call, Reraise Back To Them, Or Fold?

    {if you just call}

    The flop comes Js 10d Ks .

    After The Flop, You Are 1st To Bet, How Do You Play this From Here?


    Scenario # 2: If You Reraised, How Much Did You Reraise?

    Also, Player A Is Calling Your raise no matter what it is. Player B And Player C Folds To Your Re Raise. Same Flop As Above, You Are 1st To Bet, What Do You Do From Here?

    After We Get A Few Members Posting On What They Would Do, I'll Add More To tHe Scenarios. This Will Be Interesting To See How Others Would Complete This Hand.

    Al depends off how the other players plays, that did you see in the begin of the tournament. If the call easely or not.
    If the call easely U cant raise (if its me I raise 750)

    If they play only good hands you get 2 options, or you call, or you raise bigger (something like 1750), and if he call, then all in after the flop, he have or a pp or an ace in his hand.

    You have a middle pair and straight draw.

    When you raise, you eliminate at least one or two players befor the flop.


    All depends to what for a tournament it is, is it one whit buy-in (and howmutch), is it a freeroll (the players call mutch more).
    Or is it cash game?

    Did you had that situation? And how did you played him?
     
  3. Kim1982

    Kim1982 Member

    i would have went all-in from the start if it was a freeroll or a small amount buy-in.
     
  4. Masida

    Masida Active Member

    With QQ I don't want 3 people in the pot with A rags or less. Only 2 hands plus AK (so that makes 3) I don't want to see against my queens when I move allin preflop. So I make a raise to 1800 and call an allin from one of the other players. I don't have chipstacks or reads of the other players so that's a little difficult in this hand. On a TJK-flop I never going to give up my QQ with second pair and a OESD, so I check-raise allin there and pray for an ace or a queen if someone called me preflop.
     
  5. Peterpeter

    Peterpeter New Member

    What was the bb size, your chipstack preflop, were there any other preflop raises, and what was your position, and how was the table and live players behind you? Loose/passive/agressive/tight ?
     
  6. Peterpeter

    Peterpeter New Member

    A flop with JKT is very dangerous though, especially with 2 other players, AQ beats you, KK, AK, JJ, TT and
    a combination of a flush and a bellybuster and a pair J/K/T probably has you beat in percentage. An check-raise all in also depends on your chipstack.
     
  7. Kondai

    Kondai Active Member

    If I'm in TIGHT mode for that days, and this one is very important for my bankroll, I will check pre-flop here. Usully people raise double BB most likely hold pocket pairs 88 to AA, for the lower mostly will gamble it by all-in to steal the blind and at least have a hand when someone called or limp preflop. There are possibly that player B and C may got some thing on flop and got u beated, but If you want to win Pocket Qs mostly u need a set if A,K on the flop and someone hit it. Called here from my point of view is fine you invest 10% of your chips and you get 12.5% for hit set on the board.

    Board brought Js 10d Ks ... not very good flop for u (villian easily Kx or had random two pairs KJ K10 here maybe set J,K,T maybe pocket Aces for "Player A") even u flop open-end str8 because most of times for u to win this kind of board, u need to hit something big and now u on the draw so you need to improve to win like back door str8-flush or flush if A spade hit, if not u need to hope the other didn't have Ace of spade, forget set here it bring str8 for who hold A.
    I will check here to see what other people got if all check it means two things
    some one already flop big! or on the draw. Because If He had like AK or set or
    two pairs mostly will not slow play here but will bet as much as they can to get rid of
    chaser (but mostly chaser always chase anyway)... I plan to check through the river
    unless I get back-door flush or A of spade hit on the board. If some one really show strong and play big pot I will folded (sometimes may call on flop if not too much and if nothing improve for the turn then check-fold), If someone keep bet small, I plan to check-call thorugh the river.

    Saving your chip is importance as winning... 1000 chips now can turn to 10,000 more later
    I had one tournament before, I folded when I think I'm beated and I'm right he shown his hand.. I had 30 chips left... but I turn out to won 1st ........ (This kind of things happen to me very often but this one is lowest 30 chips and turn out to won it. Chip & chair ... very true.)

    When u got dealted QQ, it not mean u're ready to go broke and play big pot.QQ is just another hand in poker maybe next hand you may got AA or KK againt smaller pairs and win it (I faced somekind like this before). Patience is a key for win tournament If it your day It will be your day If it not even you make right called it will got suckout by other (from my experience), unless my image is very tight and steal too easy, then sometimes I need to re-raise back or called big raise for save chips in long term.

    But If I improve to very strong hand -> maybe check -raise or all-in but mostly with A comeout later to completed str8 ... it almost 80% of times are split pot (from my experience).

    If I'm in loose/gamble mode days (or It very small buy-in when compare with my bankroll and In order to win big u need to be in top 3-5 place then I will much more gamble)...I'll ALL-IN preflop here and hope god in my side.
     
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  8. Dmoney644

    Dmoney644 Well-Known Member

    Well put or said Kondai, i just wanted some prospective
    on how some of you would deal with this hand and flop, and truest words spoken,
    you are right, you must have patience to play poker. Patience really does pay off
    in the long run. Thanks for the brilliant post.​
     
  9. Vicky

    Vicky Well-Known Member

    OMG! I never knew poker was so complicated!
    That's it I...
    FOLD!
    :lmao:
     
  10. Dmoney644

    Dmoney644 Well-Known Member

    ROFLMAO!! :lmao: :lmao:

    Good thinking V, lol​
     
  11. Arjonius

    Arjonius New Member

    Checking QQ here is a very tight play that I would only make occasionally under unusual circumstances. So the large majority of the time, the question is how much to raise. With 1400 in the pot, it costs 200 to stay in, leaving you with an effective chip stack of 3800.

    If you make it say 1200, the pot becomes 2600. The first player to call gets 26:8 pot odds 3.25:1) and once one person calls, the pot odds improve for subsequent people. So there's a decent argument to make it more.

    If you make it 2000, the pot becomes 3400, and the pot odds start at 34:16 (2.13:1). So you'd want to consider the table and assess whether 2000 will make enough difference in the opponents' actions to warrant the higher amount. Depending on your attitude toward being pot committed, that may also factor into the consideration, especially if you consider betting even more to lower the pot odds further. If you're going to get all-in anyway, then maybe it's best to shove.

    Yes, people do min-raise AA and KK, but they also do so with a broader range. If you assume a min-raise means one of those hands, you may well be wrong substantially more often than you're correct.

    With no sense of how the table and the opponents were playing, it's hard to be completely sure what I'd do in this specific instance. However, I'll probably shove more often than raise, and raise more often than call.
     
  12. winchddd

    winchddd New Member

    In this situation, i would assume that if a player first to act has KK or AA, which are the two main hands I am worried about in this situation, would raise more then 1x in such bad position. with 1500 Chips in the pot already, i am usually going to re-raise to about 1400 or go all in
     
  13. Arachnaphid

    Arachnaphid Active Member

    Personally I'd re-raise, but really it depends on your style of play and the way the other players play. Re-raise or fold for me!
     
  14. amophinomus

    amophinomus Member

    the most important here is your style of play and also to know your oponent.i personaly check and call an eventually raise.even qq is not one of my favorite hand fold is not an option,at least after flop.only if ask all in could make me thinking a litle more but finally i think i call,depends on my state of mind.if you are an agressive player you could try make him fold with a big raise.this is a situation of all or nothing
     
  15. If i was you, with a pair of queens i would reraise 2000chips before the flop.If someone call, and in table is T,J,K the situation it's not too good for you.There could be possible straight or flush.I would raise again to pressing the other player to fold.But as already it was said, it depends on your style and if it is a buy-in or a freeroll!
     
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  16. Dmoney644

    Dmoney644 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the insight and perspecrtive from another player like yourselves guys, interesting to see what people would do in this situation.
     
  17. bigchris2002

    bigchris2002 New Member

    i would prolly reraise another 800 after calling A's raise...after that flop comes out, i would come out with an 800 chip bet again, to see if A calls me...i would probably play this aggressively...might turn out being a dumb play, but preflop i figure i have the best hand, and see where it goes after the flop...
     
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