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Discussion in 'The Poker Talk Corner' started by Seaman63, Mar 28, 2009.
Please tell me:
WHY DO I ALWAYS SUCK AT THE FINAL TABLE ???
It's allready a very good sign that you reach the final table - so don't worry one of these days you will celibrate
My opinion is that once most players make it past the bubble and make the money, they tend to loosen up a bit, which is a mistake at times. If you can just sit and be patient for about the 1st 10 minutes of the FT, you will probably notice 2-3 players always go out pretty quickly.
There are various factors that can affect final table performance, some of which happen before getting there. For instance, do you track where your stack stands when you reach them? Doing so can be quite revealing. For example, if you tend to be among the smaller stacks, then you're more likely to go out early.
The obvious solution is to arrive at final tables with more chips. The most common way to do so is to play less tentatively. It isn't universal, but when somone usually has below average chips when they reach a final table, a common cause, perhaps the most common, is playing in a way that tries to move up one pay slot at a time, which tends to bleed off chips slowly.
Another thing is blinds are usually high at the final table and that tends to eat away at your chip stack.Alot of players with big stacks will steal your blinds by raising etc.What D said was right about taking your time and let a few players go out.Hitting the final table with a short stack sucks for one thing and if you don't see any decent playable cards it's hard to bluff and also hard to maybe steal blinds as readily.Bottom line is.......LUCK.
Same happens with me Seaman.In the final table, if i have just a few chips, the others raise after the flop and i am pressured to call or all-in to recover chips. But most of times i dont have sucess! If i have lots of chips i usually play more agressive and that factor could be a disadvantage or not.Like Mick said luck is very important :beer:
What the heck is the bubble??
and Seaman??? You do good my friend.
Hi Kotsy dear, the bubble is when you play in a tournament and you finish 1 out of the money. if top 3 spots get paid and you finish 4th, you just made the bubble. in my opinion, finishing in the bubble position is worse than being the 1st out.
thank you for explaining.
never heard that before
bubbles to me equal a tub. rof
geesh, I'll never learn this poker chit
Thanks everyone for your input. I think I will follow Dee´s strategy to play with more patience.
Ahh, getting to the final table. What a feeling. Adreniline flowing and a great learning curve for even experienced players. The final table is where the prize's on offer go up every time a player is knocked out and the incline is steep, you’re so close you can taste the money at the top.
One reason why you may suck at a final table is that psychology is one of the biggest factors on the final table, nerves and spirits running high can put some players off their game, others thrive from it. Other players virtually tilt from the pressure and either freeze-up, let their nerves take over them, fold too many hands from fear and turn into a rock. Other players get over-aggressive and turn into a donk. As the final table draws closer and closer, prepare your mind, brace yourself and plan your strategy…
It takes a lot of hard fought poker to reach the ultimate goal of the final table and the chances are you're shattered with fatigue. Now that you’ve achieved that goal you don’t want to let up. At the next break or chance, make a cofee or something, eat a snack and clear your mind so you are fresh and have your batteries re-charged. You need to be totally ready to take on the final table.
When your at the final table the thing you have to remember is that the positions swing a lot. In one hand the chip leader could become short-stacked and the short-stack could lodge himself in the middle of the pack. The final table is a great leveler, where the places swap around so often. The next one out could be anyone in a final table because the blinds have reached a point where every hand sees a major swing in chips and even if you have a small chipstack infront of you, you can turn it around in a couple of good hands and become a real contender.
Big money on offer can demolish your normal playing style. I got to the final table of a $20 MTT with a large field once and the first place prize was over a grand, I finished 8th because I played too tight once I reached the final table when I had been agressive through the rest of the tournament. If your style was good enough to get you where you are it is obviously good enough to see you through. If you start contemplating all the money that’s on offer you will loose your bottle and let your emotions make your decisions for you. Instead of thinking about the prize of the next step up think about how much money you have won so far. Even if your chip leader with 6th players left you should still focus your mind on the minimum you could walk away with and work your way up from there, 5th, 4th and so on.
You should do this because it is absolutely vital that you don't make emotional decisions and focussing on your minumum winnings in a positive way (At the start of the tournament you would've been delighted with 6th place) settles your mind.
You should be in charge of your thoughts throughout the final table, every decision you make should not be decided on impulse by your emotions, even if it's a simple fold take the time to think about the potentiall outcomes of your decisions.
Brilliant post my friend, and i think very well said.
Thank you very much for you kind words Dmoney,
I think that a player have to be a lot of patience specially on the final table, unless you are short stacked, if you have few chips you probably have to go all-in with a medium hand ex:A10, or a medium pair if you have one of course ex:77, and then hope for be lucky when the cards lay down and double-up or expect them to fold and steal the blinds wich on a final table are very important due to their high value, position is very important too, you dont wish to be on the right of the chip leader, the bluffs probably wouldnt work because he will call you without thinking twice, then when the table becomes shorter in terms of players the value of the hands increases tremendly, a suited conector like J10 of hearts for example in a table with 3 players is a monster hand, you can also disguise the strenght of your hand by making a call with AA instead of a raise and post flop check even you hit some kind of hand, maybe you can check into the turn and if the other player continues to check on the river you make a for example a raise 3x the BB, and the other player probably will think you are bluffing then he makes a re-raise, know the pot is huge and he is pot commited, so if you go all-in with it is the stronger hand he has to call because he is commited(this is just an example, i dont advice bluffing a lot of times because you give free cards to your opponent and let him hits his game).
PS - This depend of your style of playing you can be an agressive player, or a passive player or a mix of the two, on online poker you can only read the players by the bets they made so my advice to all the online players is patience, creativity, and concentration.
You know I read all these posts in here and it makes me realize why I never do well in these poker games...There is way too much thinking required. :nuts: :lmao: